Meeting held 2015-02-10 on FreeNode, channel #maemo-meeting (logs)

Attending:
William McBee (gerbick), Jussi Ohenoja (juiceme), Alexander Kozhevnikov (MentalistTraceur), Peter Leinchen (peterleinchen), Oksana Tkachenko (Oksana/Wikiwide),

Peter Pichler (pichlo),

Partial:
Martin Kolman (M4rtinK), Paul Healey (sixwheeledbeast),

Absent:

Summary of topics (ordered by discussion):

• Extras: maintainer of libssh2-1
• eV: bank account
• maemo.org domain registration and maemo trademarks
• Autobuilder: thumb toolchain and GCC versions
• Election system: automatic calculation of results and personal URL in email
• IRC cloaks

Topic (Extras: maintainer of libssh2-1):

• sixwheeledbeast: who is looking after maintainers on extras packages?
  Someone wishes to be a maintainer of libssh2-1 package, they got no response from the current maintainer; there should be pending requests in Midgard.

Topic (eV: bank account):

• Juiceme sent a thick wad of signed and notarized papers to Germany , expecting them to be filled out correctly :) .

Topic (maemo.org domain registration and maemo trademarks):

• Thanks to warfare for getting the domain switch done so neatly. He graciously paid up the domains for a year at the same time!
• Win7Mac, member of Hildon Foundation Board, has emailed to Roschier Brand Attorneys about trademarks renewal.

Topic (Autobuilder: thumb toolchain and GCC versions):

• Would thumb target and-or GCC versions make building Qt5 on Fremantle possible?
• There are currently: 3.4.4 (for Diablo and Fremantle); 4.2.1 and 4.4 (failed) and 4.6.1 (why non-free?) (for Fremantle)

Topic (Election system: automatic calculation of results and personal URL in email):

• MentalistTraceur hasn't looked at the PHP code for elections, yet.
• juiceme will add the email template to the code repository - currently there's only the DB general schema.
  Besides combining email and token in email template to form a personal URL, the log-in mechanism needs to be tweaked a bit, to retain the state correctly when entering through personal URL.
  The personal URL should help with voting in cases where copy-and-paste is a problem, such as N9, Jolla, GeeksPhone (Firefox OS)...

Topic (IRC cloaks):

• Did not hear back from X-Fade, yet, about alternative Group Contacts for Freenode...

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13 Feb 2015 5:47am GMT

Sensors-Unity is a new lm-sensors GUI for the Unity Desktop. It allows monitoring the output of the sensors CLI utility while integrating with the Unity desktop. This means there is no GPU/ HDD support and no plotting.
If you need those you are probably better suited with psensor. However if you just need a overview of the sensor readings and if you appreciate a clean UI you should give it a shot.

Sensors Unity is available from this PPA

It is written in Python3 / GTK3 and uses sensors.py. You can contribute code or help translating via launchpad.

Overview

In contrast to other applications the interface is designed around being a application. Instead of getting another indicator in the top-right, you get an icon in the launcher:

The user interface

The idea is that you do not need the sensor information all the time. Instead you launch the app when you do. If you want to passively monitor some value you can minimize the app while selecting the value to display in the launcher icon.

To get the data libsensors is used which means that you need to get lm-sensors running before you will see anything.

However once the sensors command line utility works you will see the same results in Sensors-Unity as it shares the configuration in /etc/sensors3.conf.

Configuration

Unfortunately configuring lm-sensors via /etc/sensors3.conf this is quite poorly documented, so lets quickly recap the usage.

• /etc/sensors3.conf contains the configuration for all sensors known by lm-sensors
• however every mainboard can use each chip in a slightly different way
• therefore you can override /etc/sensors3.conf by placing your specific configuration in /etc/sensors.d/ (see this for details)
• you can find a list of these board specific configurations in the lm-sensors wiki
• to disable a sensor use the ignore statement

• #ignore everything from this chip
  chip "acpitz-virtual-0"
   ignore temp1
   ignore temp2
  

• to change the label use the label statement

• chip "coretemp-*"
   label temp1 "CPU Package"
  

  Sensors-Unity Specific Configuration

Sensors-Unity allows using the Pango Markup Language for sensor labels. For instance if you want "V_AXG" instead of "CPU Graphics" to be displayed, you would write:

label in4 "V<sub>AXG</sub>"

In order not to interfere with other utilities and to allow per-user configuration of the labels/ sensors Sensors-Unity first tries to read ~/.config/sensors3.conf before continuing with the lm-sensors config lookup described above.

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07 Feb 2015 2:23pm GMT

Meeting held 2015-02-03 on FreeNode, channel #maemo-meeting (logs)

Attending:
Jussi Ohenoja (juiceme), Alexander Kozhevnikov (MentalistTraceur), Peter Leinchen (peterleinchen),

Rüdiger Schiller (chem|st), Peter Pichler (pichlo),

Partial: William McBee (gerbick), Oksana Tkachenko (Oksana/Wikiwide),
Falk Stern (warfare/fstern), Gido Griese (Win7Mac),

Absent:

Summary of topics (ordered by discussion):

• maemo.org domain registration
• maemo trademark
• eV: bank account

Topic (maemo.org domain registration):

• Domains (maemo.org and maemo.com) have been finally transferred, with juiceme as registrant and admin, and warfare as tech.

Topic (maemo trademark):

• Wikiwide sent letter to Hildon Foundation asking them to claim-renew-pay for trademarks.
  Having HiFo to renew all TMs at once - and not just those (Europe and Germany) expiring in February - is better, because later the bank account will be transferred to MCeV.
  It would be troublesome for MCeV to renew trademarks which Nokia transferred to HiFo.
• Concerns were expressed about funds for trademark renewal. Possibility of donations was discussed.
• Hildon Foundation needs to contact Roschier Brands Attorney to discuss everything involved in trademark renewal, including funds needed.

Topic (eV: bank account):

• Hopefully this bank-account thing is over this month (February) once and for all (chemist found a global player).
  As soon as we (MCeV) have a bank account, we can accept donations, papers are with juiceme at the moment.
  Juiceme's got a stack of papers he needs to go to a bank here (Finland) with, and get them signed to transfer to Germany.

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06 Feb 2015 5:17am GMT

Meeting held 2015-01-27 on FreeNode, channel #maemo-meeting (logs)

Attending:
William McBee (gerbick), Jussi Ohenoja (juiceme), Alexander Kozhevnikov (MentalistTraceur), Peter Leinchen (peterleinchen),
Philippe Coval (RzR),
Rüdiger Schiller (chem|st), Martin Kolman (M4rtinK), Falk Stern (warfare/fstern),

Partial: Oksana Tkachenko (Oksana/Wikiwide),

Absent:

Summary of topics (ordered by discussion):

• maemo.org domain registration
• maemo trademark
• IRC cloaks
• eV: bank account
• Autobuilder: thumb toolchain and GCC versions
• Miscellaneous

Topic (maemo.org domain registration):

• Domain transfers of maemo.com/org to Hildon Foundation have been started.

Topic (maemo trademark):

• Hildon Foundation needs to claim-renew-pay for trademarks; it seems they are still waiting for juice and chemist to get that bank thing managed.

Topic (IRC cloaks):

• GeneralAntilles is in contact with X-Fade

Topic (eV: bank account):

• Chemist is doing the paperwork with Deutche Bank, but proceedings will take some time so MCeV won't be operational by mid-February to March

Topic (Autobuilder: thumb toolchain and GCC versions):

• freemangordon will try to find some time during the weekend, to investigate feasibility of adding CSSU-thumb repository to auto-builder

Topic (Miscellaneous):

• M4rtinK and rZr will be on FOSDEM, near Fedora stand.
• rZr will talk about Tizen OS on FOSDEM.
• Ovi/Nokia store is about to go down. archive.org saved Fremantle; anybody here knows about archive.org or has connections, to make such tar for Harmattan, too?

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01 Feb 2015 10:11pm GMT

This assumes you have a Debian/Ubuntu host computer on which to run debootstrap. Theoretically you can run this on the device, but it's not as easy as on Harmattan (where you can just install the debootstrap package. On the host, run the first init and create a tarball:

    sudo debootstrap --arch armhf --foreign sid sid
    sudo tar czvf sid.tgz -C sid .
    du -sh sid.tgz 
    # 98M     sid.tgz
    scp sid.tgz nemo@192.168.2.15:

To unpack the chroot tarball:

    ssh nemo@192.168.2.15
    devel-su
    # password

    mkdir sid
    cd sid
    tar xvf ../sid.tgz
    chroot /home/nemo/sid/ /debootstrap/debootstrap --second-stage
    chroot /home/nemo/sid/ apt-get clean
    echo "deb http://http.debian.net/debian sid main" \
        >/home/nemo/sid/etc/apt/source.list

To enter the chroot:

    ssh nemo@192.168.2.15
    devel-su
    # password

    mount --bind /proc /home/nemo/sid/proc
    mount --bind /sys /home/nemo/sid/sys
    mount --bind /dev /home/nemo/sid/dev
    mount --bind /dev/pts /home/nemo/sid/dev/pts
    cp /etc/resolv.conf /home/nemo/sid/etc/
    chroot /home/nemo/sid/
    apt-get update

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29 Jan 2015 6:40pm GMT

Meeting held 2015-01-20 on FreeNode, channel #maemo-meeting (logs)

Attending:
Jussi Ohenoja (juiceme), Oksana Tkachenko (Oksana/Wikiwide), Peter Leinchen (peterleinchen),

Partial:
William McBee (gerbick), Rüdiger Schiller (chem|st),

Absent:
Alexander Kozhevnikov (MentalistTraceur),

Summary of topics (ordered by discussion):

• maemo.org domain registration
• maemo trademark
• IRC cloaks
• eV: bank account
• Autobuilder: thumb toolchain and GCC versions

Topic (maemo.org domain registration):

• chemist sent mails to board^2 about TM domain & bankaccounts, and to nokia about TM and domain transfer
• chemist sent mail to the current DNS service company for maemo.org requesting domain transfer linking to the statement on maemo.org, no response yet.

Topic (maemo trademark):

• Maemo trademark is already owned by Hildon Foundation.
  Expiration of TMs is end of month it was applied + 10years, so it will expire in the end of February. It needs to be paid up for refreshment, though. "Owner" in the record (linked above) will change to Hildon Foundation (instead of Nokia).
  Roschier is the brands attorney who registers and renews the trademark.
  chemist sent mails to board and nokia about TM, as noted above?

Topic (IRC cloaks):

• x-fade did not answer rzr's email at all... We are contacting Freenode staff directly, with the angle of having trademark owned by Hildon Foundation; previously the channels "belonged" to Nokia

Topic (eV: bank account):

• We are trying to find a bank that is easy to set up with the MCEV account, that is usable both in Finland and in Gernmany.
  juiceme has contacted Handelsbanken, and they cannot open the account from Finland, as the e.V. is registered in Germany, but the other way is possible.
  Now we need to ask the German branch if they are willing to send the papers for signing to juiceme's local bank branch.

Topic (Autobuilder: thumb toolchain and GCC versions):

• Oksana sent PM on TMO, to both freemangordon and merlin1991, about auto-builder, and asked about feasibility of adding thumb, and the versions of GCC

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25 Jan 2015 3:56am GMT

Meeting held 2015-01-13 on FreeNode, channel #maemo-meeting (logs)

Attending:
Jussi Ohenoja (juiceme), Alexander Kozhevnikov (MentalistTraceur), Oksana Tkachenko (Oksana/Wikiwide), Peter Leinchen (peterleinchen),

Partial:
Rüdiger Schiller (chem|st), Gido Griese (Win7Mac),

Absent:
William McBee (gerbick),

Summary of topics (ordered by discussion):

• Election system: automatic calculation of results and personal URL in email
• Autobuilder: thumb toolchain and GCC versions
• IRC: cloaks and topic of the channel
• eV

Topic (Election system):

• If everything goes well, MentalistTraceur will take a look at the PHP code within another day or two.
• juiceme:
  the email template is in the DB, and it contains placeholders that are filled by the user's email address and temporary token when the mail is processed for sending.
  it would be possible to add a personal URL mangled from the temporary token to be inserted to the mail as well.

Topic (Autobuilder):

• MentalistTraceur asked in our techstaff IRC channel who is responsible for the autobuilder's maintenance.
  Hopefully, when we get a reply, we can ask that person directly about the feasibility of thumb toolchain, and also about completeness and compatible-versions of gcc across toolchains.
  As warfare replied, freemangordon or merlin1991 maybe the people to ask about autobuilder maintenance.

Topic (IRC):

• Topic of the channel should be changed, to reflect the current meeting time. It can only be done by a channel operator.
• IRC cloaks can be given by GC; council cloak is actually being used as access list entry in admin-channel
  chem|st will send out an email to freenode again as xfade is unresponsive ever since and generalAntilles is more on twitter than on any of #our channels

Topic (eV):

• All member applications have been accounted for; chem|st has sent emails to all of them. eV headcount is now 14, including founding members
• Win7Mac locked wiki page so that only logged-in users would be able to edit it

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16 Jan 2015 5:42am GMT

Meeting held 2015-01-06 on FreeNode, channel #maemo-meeting (logs)

Attending:
William McBee (gerbick), Jussi Ohenoja (juiceme), Oksana Tkachenko (Oksana/Wikiwide), Peter Leinchen (peterleinchen),
Philippe Coval (RzR),
Paul Healey (sixwheeledbeast), Rüdiger Schiller (chem|st),

Partial: Alexander Kozhevnikov (MentalistTraceur),
Falk Stern (warfare), Gido Griese (Win7Mac),

Absent:

Summary of topics (ordered by discussion):

• Results of election
• Handover meeting
• Miscellaneous

Topic (Results of election):

• Winners are Alexander Kozhevnikov (Mentalist Traceur), Peter Leinchen (peterleinchen), William McBee (gerbick), Jussi Ohenoja (juiceme), and Oksana A. Tkachenko (Wikiwide).
• The automatic calculation did/does not work, so the results were not immediately available at their foreseen place.
  Juiceme did the calculation manually and posted the results on his server.
  Meanwhile they are available, thanks to juiceme feeding the database manually.
• Please see also this post on TMO.

Topic (Handover meeting):

• A "handover meeting" was held by inviting members of both Old Council and New Council to join on IRC for this meeting.
• Suitable meeting time was decided upon as 21:00 UTC, Tuesday.
• Council mail-alias was updated by techstaff accordingly, to include members of New Council.
• Council status on TMO was added by techstaff accordingly, for members of New Council.
• Chair was elected.
  Wikiwide was proposed by peterleinchen, seconded by gerbick, and supported by MentalistTraceur; Wikiwide formally agreed.
  gerbick was proposed by peterleinchen, and rejected the position.
  No other proposals were put forth, since tradition is that first-timers will be chosen, and juiceme, MentalistTraceur, and peterleinchen already were Chairs previously.

Topic (Miscellaneous):

• Automatic calculation of results not working for the last election was discussed.
  As juiceme said: "the previous elections computed OK when I redid them, but not this one."
  Wikiwide suggested empty ballots as possible trigger for the confusion.
  Mentalist Traceur volunteered to have a look at the php code.
• Mentioned:
  IRC cloaks (ask sixwheeledbeast),
  thumb target in auto-builder,
  what's the GCC version on the autobuilder?
• Officially on record: Mentalist Traceur is really grateful to Aapo Rantalainen for putting GCC 4.6 in the N900 community repos.

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11 Jan 2015 11:12pm GMT

Meeting held 2014-12-30 on FreeNode, channel #maemo-meeting (logs)

Attending:
Ryan Cristal (klinglerware), Halit Bal (HtheB),
Gido Griese (Win7Mac),
Jussi Ohenoja (juiceme), Philippe Coval (RzR)

Partial: (xes), Misha K.(zogG), Aaron McEwan (chainswawbike), Peter Pichler (pichlo)

Absent: Peter Leinchen (peterleinchen)

Summary of topics (ordered by discussion):

• Council Election
• Miscellaneous

Topic (Council Election):

• A "surprise party" was held by inviting all candidates to join on IRC for this meeting.
• Voting tokens have been sent out on Friday, 26th Dec. Voting election page is up and working.
• Juiceme helped a few cases where voting token was not sent. At time of meeting there were already 47/48 votes.
• Pichlos "resignation" and the consequences were discussed. As he did not officially resigned via ML, but just told so on TMO, he is still a candidate. One possible/troublesome consequence would the voidness of election, as STV states. Luckily pichlo joined in and declared to stay as candidate but announces on TMO and wiki that he prefers to NOT be elected. So votes should go to others. In case of he still gets elected he will take the responsibility and accept.

Topic (Miscellaneous):

• No input/questions/requests from community.
• Again no news from GeneralAntilles regarding the IRC chan op situation.

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06 Jan 2015 9:12pm GMT

Meeting held 2014-12-16 on FreeNode, channel #maemo-meeting (logs)

Attending:
Oksana Tachenko (Oksana),
Gido Griese (Win7Mac),
Jussi Ohenoja (juiceme), Philippe Coval (RzR), Peter Leinchen (peterleinchen)

Absent:

Summary of topics (ordered by discussion):

• Council Election
• HiFo board elections
• IRC, Maemo e.V., Miscellaneous

Topic (Council Election):

• This meeting was again ruled by the discussion about upcoming council election.
• Juiceme checked karma for all nominated members and all have a karma > 100, so all are eligible. We have 11 candidates:
  • chainsawbike : http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2014-December/006125.html http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1451551&postcount=50
  • gerbick : http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2014-December/006127.html http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1451559&postcount=53
  • HtheB : http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2014-December/006121.html http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1451401&postcount=35
  • Juiceme : IRC http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2014-December/006123.html http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1451685&postcount=68
  • klinglerware : http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2014-December/006128.html http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1450779&postcount=24
  • mentalisttraceur : http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2014-December/006131.html
  • mr_pingu : http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2014-December/006130.html http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1451455&postcount=42
  • peterleinchen : http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2014-December/006124.html http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1451699&postcount=67
  • pichlo : http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2014-December/006129.html http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1451398&postcount=34
  • reinob : http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2014-December/006120.html http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1451262&postcount=32
  • wikiwide : http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2014-December/006122.html http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1451522&postcount=47
• Furthermore juiceme is prepared to start the voting machine for the election.
• Wiki pages are set up and up-to-date. A huge thanks to sixwheeledbeast (for setting up) and also RzR (for filling).
  http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Council_election_Q4_2014
  http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Council_election_Q4_2014/Candidate_declarations
• RzR announced contemplation period on tmo and peterleinchen on mo (news/announcement) and mailing list.
• There was a discussion about advertising Maemo e.V. membership during current election period. Board should contact candidates and ask about their plans/concerns regarding Maemo e.V.
• All candidates will be invited to join #maemo-meeting channel to hold a "talk". And kindly remembered to declare themselves on wiki and also on tmo.

Topic (HiFo board elections):

• HiFo board elections are overdue (once a year). Current members are: Jaffa, GeneralAntilles, chem|st and Win7Mac.
• As council is in charge to announce election, current board just continues. And should do so until the transfer from HiFo to Maemo e.V. has been done.

Topic (IRC, maemo e.V., Miscellaneous):

• No news from GeneralAntilles regarding the IRC chan op situation.
• The action item "sub pages on m.o for e.V." was deleted as we do have dedicated e.V. pages on the wiki.
• A coding competition -to be organized by next council- was mentioned. Short discussion about devices/prices/donations.
• Furthermore the still misleading "donate banner". Due to the still not created bank account, nothing was done here up to now.
• The list of Maemo e.V. members might be published, stripped down to show only nicknames. To be confirmed later.
• The selected Code of Conduct (KDE) still needs to be published on mo.

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21 Dec 2014 9:07pm GMT

Meeting held 2014-12-09 on FreeNode, channel #maemo-meeting (logs)

Attending:
(wikiwide), Bernardo Reino (reinob), Sicelo Mhlongo (sicelo)
Gido Griese (Win7Mac),
Jussi Ohenoja (juiceme), Peter Leinchen (peterleinchen)

Partial: Rüdiger Schiller (chem|st), Paul Healey (sixwheeledbeast), (Oksana)

Absent: Philippe Coval (RzR)

Summary of topics (ordered by discussion):

• Council Election
• IRC, Miscellaneous

Topic (Council Election):

• This meeting was ruled by the discussion about upcoming council election.
• A warm welcome was given to all (possible) candidates joining the discussion.
• Juiceme is already preparing the election.
• At least one member had not yet linked his mo and tmo accounts. Possibly we will need a manual Karma calculation for one (a few) member(s). Juiceme will take care of that.
• Reinob pointed out the willingness of pichlo to accept nomination. Peterleinchen contacted him.
• Wiki pages need to be set up. Just in time sixwheeledbeast came in and agreed to set them up (if possible due to RL).
  http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Council_election_Q4_2014
  http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Council_election_Q4_2014/Candidate_declarations

Topic (IRC, Miscellaneous):

• Discussion about jyrjyr spamming the #maemo-meeting channel and how to get rid of that. Peterleinchen sent mail to him but it bounced back with "unknown inbox".
• Council decided to contact GeneralAntilles once more to clarify the chan op situation.

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12 Dec 2014 6:10pm GMT

sensors.py is a new python wrapper for libsensors of the lm-sensors project. libsensors is what you want to use to programmatically read the sensor values of your PC with Linux instead of parsing the output of the sensors utility.

sensors.py is not the first wrapper - there are two alternatives, confusingly both named PySensors.

PySensors (ctypes) follows a similar approach to sensors.py by using ctypes. However instead of exposing the C API it tries to be a object-oriented(OO) abstraction, which unfortunately lacks many features and makes the mapping to the underlying API hard. Furthermore it does not support Python3.

PySensors (extension module) does not use ctypes and thus is more efficient, but if you write a python script probably compiling a extension module is worse than losing some performance when reading the values.
Additionally there is python3 support and also some OO abstraction. The latter is somewhere in between the C API and proper OO: sensors_get_label(chip_name, feature) is ChipName.get_label(feature) instead of feature.get_label().

So what makes sensors.py immediately different is that it does not try to do any OO abstraction but instead gives you access to the raw C API. It only adds minor pythonification: you dont need to mess with pointers, errors are converted to exceptions and strings are correctly converted from/ to utf-8 for you.

However working with the C API directly is tiresome at times - therefore there is also an optional iterator API, which is best shown by a demo:

import sensors

sensors.init()

for chip in sensors.ChipIterator("coretemp-*"):
    print(sensors.chip_snprintf_name(chip)+" ("+sensors.get_adapter_name(chip.bus)+")")
    
    for feature in sensors.FeatureIterator(chip):
        sfi = sensors.SubFeatureIterator(chip, feature)
        vals = [sensors.get_value(chip, sf.number) for sf in sfi]
        label = sensors.get_label(chip, feature)
        
        print("\t"+label+": "+str(vals))

sensors.cleanup()

result:

coretemp-isa-0000 (ISA adapter)
        Physical id 0: [38.0, 80.0, 100.0, 0.0]
        Core 0: [37.0, 80.0, 100.0, 0.0]
        Core 1: [35.0, 80.0, 100.0, 0.0]
        Core 2: [38.0, 80.0, 100.0, 0.0]
        Core 3: [36.0, 80.0, 100.0, 0.0]

for a more sophisticated example see the example.py in the repository.

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07 Dec 2014 12:30pm GMT

Meeting held 2014-12-02 on FreeNode, channel #maemo-meeting (logs)

Attending:
Jussi Ohenoja (juiceme), Philippe Coval (RzR), Peter Leinchen (peterleinchen)

Absent:

Summary of topics (ordered by discussion):

• Community feedback
• Election(s)

Topic (Community feedback):

• Again there was no feedback from community on wiki page or RzR's post on TMO.

Topic (Election(s)):

• Discussion about council election and how to attract members to nominate themselves (or get nominated ;-).
• Discussion about board election and who is going to announce/hold this election.
  Reading the bylaws of Hifo,
  not to be mistaken for bylaws of Maemo e.V.
• Clarification with HiFo board is needed about that.

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03 Dec 2014 10:29pm GMT

Meeting held 2014-11-25 on FreeNode, channel #maemo-meeting (logs)

Attending: Gido Griese (Win7Mac),
Jussi Ohenoja (juiceme), Philippe Coval (RzR), Peter Leinchen (peterleinchen)

Absent:

Summary of topics (ordered by discussion):

• Election and referendum
• Dead/old/obsolete content on entry page http://maemo.org
• Ongoing tasks: referendum, election, e.V. sub pages, supporting freemangordon, ...

Topic (Election and referendum):

• Discussion about election and referendum.
• It was commonly agreed that the referendum cannot be held together with the next council election.
• Time schedule for election was discussed and agreed like:
  candidates acceptance starts 14 dec,
  contemplation period 14 - 28 dec,
  election box is going to be open 28 dec to 4 jan
• Short discussion about possible candidates, the number of needed candidates and how to attract them to enter council.
• The current council members declared their willingness to candidate in the next election under some circumstances. One of them would be the number of users that declare their nomination It was clearly mentioned that we need some "fresh blood".

Topic (Dead/old/obsolete content on entry page http://maemo.org):

• Old link to Cordia is removed and a new link to a fresh wiki page has been placed there.
  Please have a look here or direct link to wiki page .

Topics (Ongoing tasks: referendum, election, bank account of e.V., e.V. sub pages, ...):

• Juiceme was the one who served the voting machine last time.
• Bank account for Maemo e.V. has not yet been created due to the resignation of (cashier) nieldk and the location of juiceme in a different country than e.V..
• The referendum and the (co-)operation with Maemo e.V. will be one of the main/first tasks for next council.
• The topics referendum and sub pages are again shifted to be discussed in next week's meeting.

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02 Dec 2014 10:38pm GMT

Meeting held 2014-11-11 on FreeNode, channel #maemo-meeting (logs)

Attending: Sicelo Mhlongo (sicelo),
Jussi Ohenoja (juiceme), Philippe Coval (RzR), Peter Leinchen (peterleinchen)

Partial: Paul Healey (sixwheeledbeast), Gido Griese (Win7Mac)

Absent:

Summary of topics (ordered by discussion):

• IRC activities
• Dead/old/obsolete content on entry page http://maemo.org
• Ongoing tasks: referendum, election, e.V. sub pages, supporting freemangordon, ...
• URl glitch on wiki for special characters

Topic (IRC activities):

• It was mentioned who will take care of IRC cleaning up / administering.
  This should be done by people "heavily" active on IRC. Like chemist and xes are.
• RzR pointed out that GeneralAntilles is supposed to do so.

Topic (Dead/old/obsolete content on entry page http://maemo.org):

• RzR contacted Cordia and Neo900 projects. First one is abandoned (so will be deleted) and second one felt like "not affiliated to Maemo" (so will not be linked).
• A new wiki page will be created and linked to from main page.
  This wiki page will hold important projects on Maemo on which is actively worked, e.g. FPTF, browser web engine, python replacement, ...

Topics (Ongoing tasks: referendum, election, e.V. sub pages, supporting freemangordon, ...):

• Juiceme cleaned up the mailing list logs.
• Unfortunately juiceme was not successful in reviving contacts to any PA engineer to help freemangordon reverse engineering PulseAudio libraries.
• Win7Mac told that bank account for e.V. is still not acquired.
  Furthermore the link "Lights on" should be removed from front page until bank account is settled. Then it can be put up again.
• Win7Mac also pointed out that the next election needs to be prepared.
• There was a discussion about number of people in board (5 at least) / council (5 or at least 3) and the number of non-EU members in board
  
• This together with the referendum should be discussed again to get a strong imagination of the e.V..
• The topics referendum and sub pages are again shifted to be discussed in next week's meeting.

Topics (URl glitch on wiki for special characters):

• Some pages in wiki look like missing. But in reality they are there, but not any more available by their URl.
  E.g. the page R&D_mode:
  it should be available by this link http://wiki.maemo.org/R&D_mode but you will get a 404.
• Xes and sixwheeledbeast found a workaround which unfortunately did not work out.
• So meanwhile those pages can be reached using double escaping these special characters:
  in case of above example following http://wiki.maemo.org/R%2526D_mode works.

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02 Dec 2014 10:37pm GMT

Meeting held 2014-11-04 on FreeNode, channel #maemo-meeting (logs)

Attending: (xes),
Jussi Ohenoja (juiceme), Philippe Coval (RzR), Peter Leinchen (peterleinchen)

Partial: Sicelo Mhlongo (sicelo), Paul Healey (sixwheeledbeast), (kolp)

Absent:

Summary of topics (ordered by discussion):

• Dead/old/obsolete content on entry page http://maemo.org
• Housekeeping: see above topic, changing ITT (InternetTabletTalk) labels into TMO (talk.maemo.org), old/obsolete ITT-links
• Ongoing tasks: referendum, Code of Conduct, karma, e.V. sub pages, letter to Jolla

Topic (Dead/old/obsolete content on entry page http://maemo.org):

• Still there are very old contents on the top page of m.o, like the announcements from 2010/2013.
  Council decided to get that announcements ticker on entry page of m.o removed.
• Furthermore there is the link to the "abandoned" Cordia project.
  The Cordia project seems left alone since a long time, so the council decided to get Cordia link removed, too (after some more investigations and community input).
• Board will be informed and should agree. Or give some arguments for keeping them (e.g. for e.V. reasons, ...).
• Council thought of other projects worth to put on front page and decided to have Neo900.org as a valid successor. Kolp joined in and noted to get Doc's approval.
• RzR is going to get in contact with Doc and also smokku (or other dev/supporter of Cordia) about that.

Topics (Housekeeping: see above topic, changing ITT (InternetTabletTalk) labels into TMO (talk.maemo.org), old/obsolete ITT-links

• On users profile page there still were labeled the forum thanks and posts with ITT. As ITT is gone after hand-over of forum to Hildon, this should be exchanged.
  Xes did so on above mentioned page during meeting.
• And pointed out that on this, that and that page it would not be so easy.
  To be investigated how much effort this would need.
• Another issue in same context was pointed out by endsormeans on TMO:
  There are still lots of links floating around on TMO pointing to www.internettablettalk.com but leading to Nirvana, please see here.
  As this is a forum issue, endsormeans was asked to report that to moderators.
• Juiceme did some housekeeping to the mailing list logs and found that over 90% is just spam.

Topics (Ongoing tasks: referendum, Code of Conduct, karma, e.V. sub pages, supporting freemangordon):

• Finally the council voted on which Code of Conduct to take over for maemo.org. It turned out that everybody had an own favourite. But the KDE one was the one with the most acceptance. This one was chosen and will be reported to board to have it as Code of Conduct for maemo.org, after it has been reviewed and possibly adapted where needed.
  It should go to front page of m.o and also integrated into t.m.o.
• Juiceme is still trying to get some old contacts revived to help freemangordon reverse engineering PulseAudio libraries.
• The topics referendum and sub pages are again shifted to be discussed in next week's meeting.
• There was the question thrown in whether we still need the referendum as council and board are not fighting each other.

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02 Dec 2014 10:37pm GMT